Lindsay Dow: Language lover, blogger and TEFL-certified tutor

On this episode of the actual fluency podcast, I have a chat with Lindsey Dow. Me and Lindsey get into language learning in general, tutoring, and then we also try to figure out how to pronounce I talki.

I'm good, thank you. How are you?

I'm fantastic.

Excellent, excellent.

I've given the listeners a little introduction to you, very brief. Maybe you could kind of expand on it and tell us a little bit more about yourself and how you got started with language learning.

Okay. Um, well, my first language that I began to learn was French, way back in primary school. And I went to French club because essentially they gave you croissants at the end of term. And it was nice, it was, you know, better than all the other clubs, you don't get croissants. Um.

Nice.

But then I just kind of carried on French through school and it wasn't really until uh, GCSEs when I began to become interested in language and I chose to do Spanish GCSE because I like Shakira. Basically that's it.

Nice.

Thanks Shakira. Um. But yeah, so from there I ended up having to do French to do Spanish at GCSE and it just kind of snowballed and grew and grew and, you know, GCSE, A-level, now university, yeah.

Right. And you just kind of gave a little explanation for those people who might not know the English system and GCSEs basically end of elementary school, isn't it? And.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. GCSE is 14 to 16, A-level 16 to 18, yeah.

Right. And uh, so you got into French because of a French club, that's, that's really interesting.

Yeah, yeah.

How did you find the um, did you find that being part of a club was helpful in learning the language or was it kind of just like a social thing for you?

Hmm. I don't know. I mean, in all honesty, I was probably so young that I think my mum just kind of was like, yes, probably a good thing for her to do, sign up for that.

Sounds good.

You know, and I I just ended up going along, it wasn't really, it was also the fact that I think it was in between it was during lesson time. So

Oh.

You know, you'd get called out. They'd be like, oh, yeah. You'd feel really special.

Nice.

You're going out of the lessons.

Right. And how successful do you think uh, the language learning in school is in in England right now? What's your kind of impression of that?

Um, let's just say there's a reason I don't want to train to be a language teacher in this country. Um, yeah, no, I I I don't think very highly of the system at the moment in the UK, in all honesty.

Not enough, is it?

It's it's really not enough. And the problem is by 11, you know, some children, I I was lucky, I managed to get it in primary school. But some children haven't had that opportunity and so you everyone comes up at age 11, all different levels, all different ideas of why they should learn a language and you the teachers are having to start from scratch. So they're teaching, you know, Bonjour. Wow. Dog, pink, green, blue. And and 11 year olds don't want to be taught like that and it just doesn't work. Um, and then obviously three years, if you're starting from that level, what what can you really achieve with with a bunch of people who think it's a waste of time?

One class a week or or two classes a week or something?

Exactly, that's the other thing, you know, it's literally one or two classes a week. There's no emphasis whatsoever.

It's it's horrible, isn't it? But but but so I guess the the advantage of bringing them earlier is also people might not become better at the language, but some people might develop the interest or so you might become noticeable that, oh, you can actually learn another language.

This is exactly it. This is exactly it and I really, and in fact, in the curriculum, um, the new primary school curriculum, there is no compulsory language. It doesn't say you have to teach them French or you have to teach them Spanish and you have to teach them this, this and this. It says you can teach them any language, living or dead.

Wow.

It's like that and, you know, that sounds really weird to say it so openly like that, you know, teach them ancient Greek, what's the point? But the point is that they understand at a very, very early age that a new other languages exist.

Right.

And I think that that is the key thing to get in at a young age, not necessarily to get them fluent from age three, you know?

No, that's not possible anyway.

Not, well, yeah.

But if you can interest them a little bit, then they they might become like yourself and uh, go crazy with it at some point.

Yeah, that's the plan.

You you sneaky little plan. All right, well, we're already talking about language learning, so I guess I can move on to the question I always ask my guests, and uh, it is if you had to learn a new language, and I know you're currently doing a little mini challenge in Dutch. Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe you can just quickly share what what that challenge is about.

Um, it's just a personal challenge. Earlier this year, back in January, I did the iTalki language challenge, uh, we were talking about this earlier. I Talki, I Talkie.

Yeah.

Language challenge, um, in German because I'm currently studying German as well. Um, and I wanted to improve my spoken German because I study with the Open University, which is in the UK, distance learning. So not a lot of chance to speak and so I thought, you know, this is a good good chance to improve my spoken German.

Oh.

Maybe, maybe this is kind of the way to go. I I've always loved Holland. So, yeah, that's that's kind of where that started. So I've set myself a bit of a target to go for three months. Um, I'm a month through now, coming up to her first month through, just to give myself a basic conversational level.

Right.

Really.

And how you've, I mean, obviously with a good good knowledge in German, people say that Dutch is very easy to pick up, is that what you're finding as well, or?

Yeah, definitely, definitely. I mean, that's that's why, that's that's what I like about it is that it's not um, you know, right now, like I say, I'm I'm learning German as well and French for university right now. So it's kind of a real side project. It's like the third thing right now. Um, so yeah, I haven't got the time that I would love to have to devote to learning something completely new, you know, like, I don't know, Japanese or Burmese is a language I really, really want to learn. Um.

What is that come from uh, the Burmese? I can understand Japanese, a lot of people want to learn Japanese, but Burmese is the enigmatic nature of the culture maybe or?

Um, okay, so back in 2011, um, I visited Burma for two weeks and

Oh.

Yes. I absolutely hated it at the time.

Oh, really?

I hated it. I had I had um, I had really, really, I don't want to share this, I was ill. Shall we say I was ill from both ends, shall we say? Um, and because of that, you know, the whole thing was just not an enjoyable trip at the time.

Right.

Um, and I loved it and I really, really want to go back there for a long period of time. So that's that's why I want to learn it.

Well, if you've been there, that's uh, I I can understand that because a lot of people don't necessarily go to Burma, so that's.

Mm.

That that that's why.

Or Myanmar, should we say, I don't know.

Good. And um, so the Dutch, you think you could do it in three months? I think it sounds pretty realistic.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, my I have an I talk E tutor. Once a week. Um, and that's going well. That's going well. He he's even said in the three or four lessons we've had now, you know, he said, oh, you've you've got a real noticeable improvement. So it's it's a good good place to be right now. Um, yeah, I think I could definitely get to a

Right.

A reasonable understanding level.

Sweet. So if we continue on that path, um, the question that I was uh, coming to was, if you had to learn a new language tomorrow, and you didn't know anything about the language, what kind of how would you do it basically? What kind of resources would you immediately go after and how would you kind of start out learning that language? Because a lot of people obviously have different ways. So by maybe sharing your ways, you can inspire and give other people some ideas or.

Okay. Um, I think I have a growing collection of teach yourself books that my library seems to be checking out left, right and center in in library sales. And I'm like, why are you giving these away? I will buy them. Five for a pound, yes, please.

Wow.

I know.

That's a ridiculous price.

It's insane, it's insane. So.

Okay.

Yeah, I uh, I have a kind of growing collection. Um, so if if if if if I have a teach yourself book, I tend to start with that. Um, but then I'm I'm trying to avoid, I've mentioned this on my blog before, I'm trying to avoid getting stuck into a reading rut. Right. Because I love to read and I'll just, I love to read about language as well. Um, which is, you know, it's good habit, but it's not good if I want to use it as such. Um, but yeah, I think I I would say I tend to start with teach yourself books.

Right. The little victory.

It's nice. Yeah, yeah.

The little victory moment. So so you would say teach yourself fundamentals and then Memrise for vocabulary?

Memrise for vocabulary and and I Talki, um, for for speaking practice. But I I find, um, I know a lot of people sort of say, you know, start speaking from from from scratch. I I like to like you say, sort of get a fundamental book knowledge if you like. Just a just a really, really basic vocabulary, really, really basic grammar. So that you can string a sentence together and then speak to someone, I think is is easier, especially if if your lessons are gonna be on online because um, you know, you lose that immediate contact. You know, you still can type words and use Google Translate or whatever, but you know, you don't have every, you know, everything your exposure expose, that's not a word.

Yeah.

Course.

Expose.

Uh, yeah, but a problem with Google Translate that I'm finding because I have um, I'm learning Russian and I'm, I have a Russian tutor friend kind of thing. And um, if we are writing, I often go to Google Translate because I need to, if she writes me a long sentence, I'll be like, hmm, what does this mean? Uh, although I can understand most of it and I can also write most of my sentences myself, but I find that after having used Google Translate to look up a word, it's not in my memory. So I forget it almost immediately. And it's it's literally minutes after. She can use the same word and I'm going to be like, what was that again? Uh, so that's why the Memrise really comes in, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. I think Google Translate is uh, it can be a lot of fun. I mean, have you seen the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air Google Translated video? They.

No, but it sounds like a lot of fun.

It's hilarious. They they translate the lyrics like sort of seven times and back and then.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it becomes really awful in the end.

Yeah, yeah, you can imagine how it goes.

Right.

Yeah, but I I agree. Do you use Anki at all?

No. I I I just use Memrise.

I like Anki a lot, like if I if I like you say, you sort of find a word on the spot and you think, oh, what does that mean? You know, and you Google Translate it or whatever, word reference and you you get it and you think, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I need to remember this. I if uh, if I'm keen, if I'm on the ball with everything, then I'll have Anki open and and add it to my Anki list.

Yeah, you can do that to Memrise too though, if that's your primary software.

What if you like make your own courses, you mean?

Right, yeah, yeah.

But then it's my own.

I have my own Russian. No, no, no, you can make your own private.

You can make your own private?

Yeah, yeah. I have a I have a Russian, I I tried ambitiously one day to create my own sentence course. Yeah. Because I wanted to uh, kind of get a fast forward in phrasal Russian because I was going to this conference and I, I needed to speak sentences uh, and not just say, hello, my name is or something. And I wrote these 10 sentences that was like, hello, I'm from Denmark and I want to visit Russia one time and blah, blah, blah.

Yeah.

But yeah, I think.

That doesn't know me about Memrise if you get one letter the wrong way around, just you need almost like a typo button to go. It was a typo.

Yeah, sometimes I just had this fat finger syndrome, I just hit the button next to it or as I press enter, I hit the little thing next to it and it just like or you're missing a soft sign or something. I know it's important for Russian and everything, but I mean one soft sign in the end, please give me some credit.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely, definitely.

So so you still use the the Anki on the side, even though there is Memrise?

Yeah, yeah, I I tend to use Anki for and as I said, like studying um, French and German at sort of university. I tend to use Anki for words that I find through that that aren't on Memrise. Um, and I use Memrise for courses that other people have done that I'll kind of pick up.

Cool.

So yeah. My my Memrise is full of a ridiculous amount of languages with a ridiculous amount that needs watering.

I have don't people to to have experienced the same. Yeah.

Yeah.

Memrise overload. Yeah.

Yeah.

I I took the medicine uh, year one medicine from some random university in America. They put up the year one curriculum. I think it was something like 500 levels or courses or what are they called? Chapters or something. Stages, something. So it was a ridiculous amount of medicine and they were just like, I can do this.

Yeah.

It's really interesting. Um, so when you're learning all these languages, uh, is there a time you feel like, ugh, I wish I wasn't doing this or do you sometimes get a little bit bogged down by it and and feel like you need to take a break and step away from it or is it just always on the.

Yeah. I think it's always on the back burner, um, especially at the moment because I mean, my my my degree that I said I study with the Open University is six years. So it's kind of always been a constant.

Of course not. I mean, you might forget a few words and it might the language might slowly deteriorate, but you know, it it's, but that's like exercising too, isn't it? People go crazy over missing one exercise or eating one pizza when in reality, it's the it's the all the other sins that you do that are the most important. It's consistency, isn't it, you know?

Exactly, exactly.

Yeah, yeah. Why not reward yourself for exercising six out of seven days instead of killing yourself for not doing it one day.

Exactly, exactly.

Stupid uh, humans aren't we? But um, do you have any motivation, motivational tips or tricks that you like to use if you if you feel like you want to study a language, but there's something, you know, ah, I don't really do you do you find looking at your goals or what what would you be doing if you.

Um, I mean, I mentioned already how I get the the books off the the library. So I kinda, yeah, I'll kind of just like start. I'll be like, ah, I got that book months ago now. I haven't even looked at it. And I'll I'll just start flickering through and then be like, oh, okay, I'm beginning to get this. So let's let's let's kind of go somewhere. Um, so I kind of start without realizing and then that I don't end up, I end up not setting myself goals, which is what I've now tried to do with Dutch is to actually say, right, I'm gonna do it by this date. And I've never really done that before, you know, like with with with learning academically, I've had deadlines for assessments and things, but never actually said, I want to speak X language by this day. Right. You know. So it's kind of an interesting alternative, you know, because I don't often have have goals. I I do tend to just be like, I enjoy it and if if I if I say, you know, oh, I'm a bit bored of that now, I will like, I don't know, I'm always there's always something language going on in my mind.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Of course you also also uh, spending a lot of time tutoring or teaching. And um, you're a TEFL, TEFL, TEFL certified.

Yeah, is it TEFL, is it TEFL? Now I don't know. I I Talki, TEFL.

I Talki. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, it's definitely TEFL, it's definitely TEFL.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding, it's definitely TEFL, it's definitely TEFL.

Oh, the TOEFL test is is an English test for.

Oh, yeah.

Foreigners.

You're like TOEFL. TEFL.

Yeah.

TEFL.

Apparently no words can be pronounced tonight. Uh, I mean if anyone in the audience wants to have a guess, you know, you can always send me an email. Uh, I'd like to hear how you pronounce this, but uh, I think it is called the TEFL, isn't it? That's the Teaching English foreign.

Yeah.

Foreign language.

Standard. Foreign language.

So it should really be TAFL. Or they just glossed over the S.

As yeah, like as as.

As a small word. Yeah.

Cheats.

Cheats. But anyway, how did you how did you decide? Obviously you you were into tutoring and then you decided to take it to the next level or how did how did the whole certification come up aboard? Because that's a step up for most people, isn't it?

Yeah, um, way back in 2008, uh, I took what was at the time a gap year from after the A-level, the sort of 16 to 18 qualification that we do here in the UK to university because I wasn't really sure if I wanted to go to university. So I thought, okay, let's take some time out and think about this.

Yeah.

Yeah. I didn't do that. I I took a year out, um, and I went to Costa Rica for three months and taught English there. So to do that, I had to gain my TEFL certificate. Um, so I kind of just did it because I had to to go and live in this lovely tropical country for three months.

And how are you finding the balance between you know, obviously, you're just as much interested in learning languages yourself as you are tutoring. But how are you finding the balance between being a student and a teacher at the same time? Is that hard sometimes for you to allocate the time for both?

I think it's essential. Um, I think if I was teaching people French, Spanish, English, and saying, okay, so this is the words, this is these are the words. I'm a really good teacher, really good teacher. Like, these these are the words. This is how you put them together. You know, in the way that I was taught, like, whenever I was last taught, 10 years ago, that's not gonna be very helpful.

But some teachers are, you know, not very good and I definitely remember a lot of teachers from my school being, you know, they had designed a curriculum 40 years ago and they still use the same.

Exactly. This is what I'm talking about. Yeah, it just it doesn't work.

And a lot of people also say, if you can't do, teach. So, you know, teachers get a bit of a bad rep, but you're you're the good teacher, you know, you really want to improve yourself and you really you want to provide that value to the students as well and.

Yeah. Yeah, that's really good.

That's really good and and you you don't have trouble with saying, oh, I just tutored English for eight hours on Skype, now I have to go study Dutch. You know, do do you never have that little bit of a.

No.

No.

No. For me, it's it's quite separate in my. Okay, good. in my head. You know, I have my desk at my desk. That's where I teach. That's where I prepare things. That's where I blog. And then I, in all honesty, at the moment, I lie on the bed and that's where I study. Just just to keep it separate in my brain. Um, and that that seems to work, just having different places.

That's a top tip. I would say so.

I would say so, yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to find top tips every week. So maybe that's the this week's top tip is if if you have different modes of operation. There's probably a fancy Latin term for that, but uh, if you have different modes, then separating your physical workspace can maybe help balance the the mental work workspace kind of thing. So you separate it in your mind as well as in your physical location.

Yeah, I think I think that's really important. Do you have do you have a jingle for that?

No.

Top tip jingle.

No.

We create one right now.

Top tip jingle. Hmm. It's not easy to rhyme one, is it? Top tips. Top tips. Well, I'll definitely think about it.

Top tips. Chris Chris kind of rhymes with tips.

Does it?

Chris top tips. If you go tips. Right.

Chris.

Chris top tips. That kind of works.

Yeah. That's funny. That's really good. And yeah, and also speaking of which, your YouTube videos always make me laugh because they're so silly some of them. And.

Oh, thank you.

Your iTalki introduction video for instance, uh, I just saw it recently. It was just um, there's just so much going on in there. You obviously have a a talent for uh the video making there. So I really encourage people to check that out. And it it will be every single thing we talked about will be in the show notes at actualfluency.com/08 if you want to if you're interested. I mean, you might be interested in where you got your TEFL certificate, the i-to-i. And that link will be in there as well. So people can go check it out. It is quite expensive, isn't it? To get a proper certificate.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was expensive because um, I did as I said, as part of the going to Costa Rica for three months and the whole experience um, included the cost of the TEFL certificate, but the whole experience of going there for three months was 2000 pounds. So and that was in 2008. So I don't know how much it would cost now, but if you, you know, if you do the course on its own, it varies from provider to provider. At the minute, I'm looking to um, hopefully kind of within the next year, sort of upgrade, if you know what I mean. Um, and maybe go for to get the the the Cambridge CELTA certificate at some point. But when I finish my German, get one thing out the way first.

You definitely have a lot to uh, lot on your to get working on first before getting to that point.

Definitely, definitely, yeah.

But you're kind of upgrading it that way.

Yeah, that's the plan.

Excellent, excellent. And um, do you have any big aha moments or things when you speak about language learning in this instance. Do you have any moments where you something just kind of clicked or something made sense or you know, it could be a little thing or a bigger philosophical thing, but was there anything that just kind of.

I think all all the time. Um, I I really, really love words and I love etymology and I love um, like a recent example that would come to mind is when I was reading the Dutch book and one of the chapters, I think was called like, I go to the cinema. And the word for cinema was bioscoop. And I said that right. And I'm like, bioscoop. Bioscoop. What on earth? Is it the same in Danish?

Oh, no, no.

Oh, that was very good accent.

Oh, thank you. Well, some people call Danish close to Dutch in terms of sounding weird. So maybe that's true.

Oh, okay. In terms of sounding weird, right, fair enough. Um, but yeah, I thought, you know, everything, sine, cinema, kino, everything like that I know sounds similar. I'm like, where does this come from? And I just had to find out and I found out that um, I can't remember which part was which, but it comes from like Greek and Latin, I think, you know, bio being life, scope being to look at. I'm like, that's beautiful. Cinema to look at life. It's like, that's that's what it is. And then just just the idea as well that um, also the word in in Malay and Indonesian is the same as as the Dutch word.

That's very philosophical.

Yeah. Right.

Yeah.

And yeah, yeah. Um, and I thought that's that's, oh, that's beautiful. It's moments like that. Not so much make me go, aha, I understand, but make me go, wow. Language. You did it again. Right.

The little wins you constantly come across and.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. My I have a I have an English professor who's like a doctor of doctors and he's like the highest uh, you can ever become in Denmark and um, he he always during a lecture, he always whenever he comes on a word that has a Latin or Greek root, he always takes time out to explain it. And although I really can't remember all of them. It's just at the moment when he's doing it, I really enjoy it. Like he's like, oh yeah, by the way, manuscript, manu meaning hand, script meaning writing. I'm like, yes, that's really fantastic. And a lot of people like, this guy's random stopping the class. We're talking about a an 18th century text and he's talking about Latin etymology. What is this guy? But for me, that's some of the most enjoyable parts and it sounds like you have the same.

Yeah. Definitely, definitely. I do. I do love like the discovery of it all.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that that all links together in in the end. Uh, even though languages might sound different, they all they all share these different things and roots and they're all cousins and sisters, aren't they at the at the end?

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

So what's um, if we if we could just go a take a step back to the tutoring. I I really want to ask you this because you obviously been tutoring for a while. Let's say I'm a student, I want to learn, let's just say Russian, that that's what I'm actually learning right now. I find a uh, a teacher on iTalki because I really like that site as well. I know you do too. What would be your kind of top three to five tips for the student going into a uh, a tutoring session with a new tutor that you don't really know? What are you, how do you optimize or maximize that in like three or five easy tips or however many you want to use?

Um, for an online lesson specifically?

Right. Like like a Skype thing.

Yeah. Okay. Um, I would say first of all, find a good tutor. Um.

What do you look at? Do you look at reviews or what's important? Do you look at age maybe or gender? Are there any tips and tricks?

Yeah, I suppose, I suppose kind of subconsciously I look at age and gender, but I mean, recently my my Dutch tutor that I have is um, a man in his, I would I don't want to insult him. I don't know. I think he's in his 50s, 40s, 50s, you know. So complete kind of opposite to me. Right. But the reason I picked him was that he is a native Dutch speaker, but he has lived in Spain since he was 22. So we have our Dutch lessons in Spanish.

The double double dip.

Yeah. So that's the reason I picked him. So, you know, if if there's something like that that you, you know, you want to go for what, you know, if it's on iTalki, watch the videos, um, and and kind of judge from from that. But yeah, I think.

Don't you mental preparation?

In terms of.

Or what how should we prepared to when you go into a class? Are there any any things you should do on your own, any questions you should have ready or?

Um, well, questions you should have ready, it depend it depends if you if it depends where you're at in the language as well. You know, if if you think, right, I absolutely know nothing, then at least maybe I know we've we've been talking about Google Translate and how how wonderful it is. But if you if you at least Google Translate just hello, um, how do you say, I don't understand, speak slowly. The things that, you know, you can you can begin to produce from the start and then and then kind of go from there.

Excellent. And so and and I think I guess the warning in is here the one that you you talked about is if you if you are too comfortable, it's not really and I can kind of feel the same with audio courses. If I'm doing Pimsleur and I'm lying down, it's way too comfortable. It's almost like my brain is switching off slowly, almost going to sleep. But if I sit up with my with my back straight and I'm kind of attentive, then I feel like I get much more out of the lesson. Even if I don't take any notes or do any other things. But as long as I'm just in a good position to receive the learning. So I guess that goes with the teaching as well, that you shouldn't it's probably a bad idea to lie on the bed and get an iTalki session anyway. But it but if you don't don't be too comfortable.

Just out of politeness.

Yeah, also that yeah, it seems a little bit weird. Also if it's the first lesson, you know, you maybe you want to be a little bit more uh attentive.

Well, I don't know. I don't expect my students to be in a suit for the first lesson.

Right. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.

I'm joking.

But yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely.

Three piece. Three piece at least.

Three piece at least.

Has to be. All right, Lindsey, it's been such a pleasure talking to you and I'm so happy you uh, you were able to come uh onto the show. Do you have um, obviously you have your blog on Lindseydoslanguages.com. And so great you got the domain, by the way. I remember talking to you about that uh, a month ago or something. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I said that that blog is way too good to have on a dot wordpress or whatever it was. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's it's been an exciting time.

But I really uh, I really appreciate it and and I want to encourage everyone to go read your your stuff on there. And also, like I said before, the videos because uh, you do put a lot of effort into it, don't you? You know, it's just it's not just turning on the webcam like I do and talking like uh a tosser for five, seven minutes, you know. You really uh, you put some editing in there and uh, and and that really shows. So uh, thank you so much Lindsey. Do you have any final shout outs or anything you want to throw in there?

Um, I would just like to say, dank u.

Dank u.

See, I'm practicing my Dutch.

Yeah. I I speak Dutch too. No, I don't. But some people uh, actually some Americans think that we speak Dutch in Denmark for some reason.

Yeah, I've I've heard that some some Americans think Portugal is in South America, so.

And Denmark is the capital of Sweden and uh, lots of other bad things, but maybe that says more about.

I've got a lot of that in my video tomorrow actually.

Oh, really? Oh, a little little surprise.

Yeah.

A little inside scoop there.

There'll be an inside scoop there.

Little surprise what you got. What's it gonna be called?

Um, tomorrow is nine reasons why you should, sorry, nine, let's give you the the the not not the working title. Let's give you the real title. Nine reasons to learn Spanish.

There you go. So we got an inside scoop and we got a great interview with Lindsey Dow. So thank you so much Lindsey and have a fantastic evening.

You're welcome. Thank you very much. And you.